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Water Penalties? - 05/28/04 4:59:38 PM
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bunnyman
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I'm just learning, so pardon the dumb questions. 
If water is between me and the green and I hit into it, I drop on the side that I'm on, right? What I've heard is 1 in, 1 out, hitting whatever stroke is next. Does that count if on the Tee and hitting in or do I have to hit from the Tee again?
What about laterals? Say I slice (or hook) it into the water. Do I drop from where it when in or do I have to hit from where I was?
So confused....
Thanks!
Jay
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RE: Water Penalties? - 05/28/04 5:31:20 PM
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HackNSlash
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BTW - bookmark this link:
USGA: The Rules of Golf
I just bought this in book form:
Decisions on the Rules of Golf 2004-2005
Not that I'm telling you to RTFM, or anything. Just FYI.
Anyway, This is described in Rule 26-1:
26-1. Relief for Ball in Water Hazard
It is a question of fact whether a ball lost after having been struck toward a water hazard is lost inside or outside the hazard. In order to treat the ball as lost in the hazard, there must be reasonable evidence that the ball lodged in it. In the absence of such evidence, the ball must be treated as a lost ball and Rule 27 applies.
If a ball is in or is lost in a water hazard (whether the ball lies in water or not), the player may under penalty of one stroke:
a. Play a ball as nearly as possible at the spot from which the original ball was last played (see Rule 20-5); or
b. Drop a ball behind the water hazard, keeping the point at which the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard directly between the hole and the spot on which the ball is dropped, with no limit to how far behind the water hazard the ball may be dropped; or
c. As additional options available only if the ball last crossed the margin of a lateral water hazard, drop a ball outside the water hazard within two club-lengths of and not nearer the hole than (i) the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard or (ii) a point on the opposite margin of the water hazard equidistant from the hole.
The ball may be lifted and cleaned when proceeding under this Rule.
(Prohibited actions when ball is in hazard — see Rule 13-4.)
(Ball moving in water in a water hazard — see Rule 14-6.)
BTW - Rule 26-2 discusses playing the ball in the water hazard.
Keep in mind that the point that it crosses the margin of the water hazard is not where it lands in the water hazard. The margin of the water hazard is the point where it crossed the perimeter of the hazard (whether via rolling/bouncing on the ground or into its airspace above it).
There are numerous decisions (clarifications, etc) of this rule in the book.
So:
1) Yes, drop on the side you're on, if following 26-1 option (b)
2) Yes, one stroke for the hit into the water hazard, one for the penalty if following Rule 26-1 options (a) or (b).
3) No, you don't have to hit from the tee again, but you can per 26-1 option (a).
4) lateral hazard: any of (a), (b), or (c) above, or play it from the hazard.
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RE: Water Penalties? - 05/28/04 6:22:12 PM
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bunnyman
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So, another dumb question...
Why would I ever want to hit from the Tee again?
If, on the Tee, I'm hitting 3. (1 in, 1 out, hitting 3)
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"way down there somewhere" I'm hitting 3 (1 in, 1 out, hitting 3) seems like I'd always want to hit from "down there somewhere."
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RE: Water Penalties? - 05/28/04 6:54:28 PM
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atticusfinch
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quote:
ORIGINAL: bunnyman
So, another dumb question...
Why would I ever want to hit from the Tee again?
If, on the Tee, I'm hitting 3. (1 in, 1 out, hitting 3)
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"way down there somewhere" I'm hitting 3 (1 in, 1 out, hitting 3) seems like I'd always want to hit from "down there somewhere."
Here is an example of when you might want to play again from the tee. Your tee shot rolls back into the water and relief from the water hazard is on the blue line on the other side of hte pond.
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RE: Water Penalties? - 05/28/04 6:57:47 PM
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HackNSlash
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Contrived example:
Let's say it's a short par-3, 125yds. There's 10 yds downhill to the water, a 100yd carry over water, and the green.
You can drop it in the junk behind the water and gain anywhere from 1-10yds, possibly with a bad lie and on a downslope, but take a club or so less. Or you can retee. What do you do? What do you do?
Ok, well, maybe not everyone would retee. I don't know. Another example:
Par-3, 125 yds, 20 yds to the water, 85 yd carry over water, and the green. You hit a duck hook and it turns left before it even crosses the margin. It happens that there's a tree at the water's edge, and it overhangs the water. Looking and where you have to drop, you may decide that you might hit the overhanging branches if you try to drop there and you don't want to punch one low over the water. So you back up until you think you can hit safely over the tree. Now you realize you're 125 yds away from the pin, directly left of where you were just a minute ago.
Another example: You plonk one in the water. You're pissed cuz you know you can hit it, your buddies are making fun of you. You've got something to prove. You knock it in the hole. You turn around and tell them they better make par.
Ok, that's a bit contrived, too.
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RE: Water Penalties? - 05/28/04 7:12:02 PM
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bunnyman
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Great explanations! Thanks!
Jay
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