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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/15/12 3:15:45 PM
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Par4QC
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My take is that is all about finishing by (around) 6PM on the east coast. They mentioned that in the past 100+ players made the cut due to the 10 shot rule. Add the 3 hour difference between east and west coast and they would never finish by 6PM playing in twosomes. The threesomes yesterday were averaging around 5 hours. Having said that I still prefer the 10 shot rule in majors. If a guy that's 10 shots back gets hot in a major he could easily cut that deficit in half in one day. I say run the telecast into prime time if needed. If the top players on tour are in contention the viewers will stay and watch. I personally enjoyed watching golf until 10PM last night.
On this course, if the leader is at -1 and the 60th position is at +4/+5, there will be no comeback. Almost impossible to make up 5-6 shots here; even if the leader goes 2 over, the +4 has to go 3 under to win it. Don't see that happening the way the course is playing. Stricker had a huge score with the 68 today.... throw out the eagle chipin and he would most likely be looking at missing the cut.
The rule change last year was probably made with this forseen. No need to muddy the waters with guys at +9/+10 hanging around. They've had ample time to get accustomed to the course and shooting high numbers for 2 days is not indicative of anything but worse to come. No come back for any of those players. No need to let them play 2 more rounds.
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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/15/12 3:51:48 PM
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MulliganMan
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My take is that is all about finishing by (around) 6PM on the east coast. They mentioned that in the past 100+ players made the cut due to the 10 shot rule. Add the 3 hour difference between east and west coast and they would never finish by 6PM playing in twosomes. The threesomes yesterday were averaging around 5 hours. Having said that I still prefer the 10 shot rule in majors. If a guy that's 10 shots back gets hot in a major he could easily cut that deficit in half in one day. I say run the telecast into prime time if needed. If the top players on tour are in contention the viewers will stay and watch. I personally enjoyed watching golf until 10PM last night.
On this course, if the leader is at -1 and the 60th position is at +4/+5, there will be no comeback. Almost impossible to make up 5-6 shots here; even if the leader goes 2 over, the +4 has to go 3 under to win it. Don't see that happening the way the course is playing. Stricker had a huge score with the 68 today.... throw out the eagle chipin and he would most likely be looking at missing the cut.
The rule change last year was probably made with this forseen. No need to muddy the waters with guys at +9/+10 hanging around. They've had ample time to get accustomed to the course and shooting high numbers for 2 days is not indicative of anything but worse to come. No come back for any of those players. No need to let them play 2 more rounds.
I disagree (kind of lol). At this US Open it's not hard to imagine the leaders backing up 2-3 shots on Saturday and someone 10 back shooting 2-3 under. Remember they have 2 days to try and make it up. I'm not saying it's a likely possibility to come from 10 back with these conditions but I could see someone getting themselves back into contention...maybe pick up a top 10 which would automatically qualify them for next years US Open. There is a 66 out there, Michael Thompson proved it on Thursday. 
At the same time I don't have a problem with a hard cut as that is the way they play most of the year. I just think that having a 10 shot rule at the majors opens up the door for a great comeback story no matter how improbable.
BTW right now the leader is a -2 and the projected cut is at +6 (8 shot difference at the moment) and will likely go higher. There is a decent chance that the 10 shot rule will be a moot point by the end of the day if the leader is at 2-3 under at the end of the day.
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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/15/12 4:09:50 PM
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MulliganMan
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Well looking at it now I think the cut will be +7 and the leader will be -1 so probably an 8 shot difference. That sounds fair enough. There are a bunch of guys still on the course at +5 and +6 with half of their round left. Furyk is in the clubhouse at -1 and I don't see anyone getting and staying below that. You have the high school kid tied with Furyk and Tiger one back at E...those are the only two that could possibly finish better that -1 IMO.
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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/16/12 7:42:00 AM
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Rule did not matter, top 60 and 10 shots from lead. Interesting.
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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/16/12 12:54:27 PM
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MulliganMan
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Actually the leaders were at -1 and the cut was +8 so it was a 9 shot difference. If the 10 shot rule would have been in effect there would have been 94 players left in the tournament (22 players at +9) instead of 72 players. But the more I think about it the more I am in agreement that with a field as big as the US Open the 10 shot rule can cause problems getting everyone done on the weekend. In a limited field like the Masters that isn't an issue.
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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/16/12 12:59:21 PM
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MulliganMan
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My take is that is all about finishing by (around) 6PM on the east coast. They mentioned that in the past 100+ players made the cut due to the 10 shot rule. Add the 3 hour difference between east and west coast and they would never finish by 6PM playing in twosomes. The threesomes yesterday were averaging around 5 hours. Having said that I still prefer the 10 shot rule in majors. If a guy that's 10 shots back gets hot in a major he could easily cut that deficit in half in one day. I say run the telecast into prime time if needed. If the top players on tour are in contention the viewers will stay and watch. I personally enjoyed watching golf until 10PM last night.
Well NBC blew my theory all to hell.
I guess I should have checked my TV listings...coverage is from 4PM-10PM eastern lol. And I am certain it will run over as the last group doesn't tee off until 6:05PM eastern. I'm not too sure how well the European audience will like these times as the leaders will be finishing around 3-4AM.
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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/16/12 10:50:03 PM
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Greetings ....
I believe there have been two occasions with the last 20 years -- one at the US Open, the other at the British Open -- where the 10-shot rule allowed up to 100 players to play the weekend. Way, Way too many in my book.
The USGA could have risked going with Low-70 and ties and come out OK at least for this year, as the same 72 players would have made it to the weekend.
Thanx-A-Lot, Frank-0-Sport
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RE: 10 Shot Rule - 06/17/12 4:24:45 AM
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They said it would have been 96 players this weekend. I'm okay with what they did. Nobody was going to make up 5-10 shots on so many other players in this competition.
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