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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 2:18:12 PM
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caper
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Don't own any pets. I don't believe dogs shud be in an urban environment - simply not enuff space for them. I believe pit bulls maybe over bred and as such may be somewhat more problematic then other dogs.
That is just dumb 
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 2:36:17 PM
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rsvman
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Pittbulls are also the largest population of any dog on earth, so in a numbers game, they don't have a fair shot. Lets keep things fair. That's like saying Taylormade has the most shots hit out of bounds off the tee on the PGA.. well I'll be damned! They must make horrible clubs!
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This is complete BS, at least in America. I know you said "on earth," but if you are talking about dog populations in the US they are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the most populous dog.
The American Kennel Club lists the top breeds on its website. The most popular dog is the Labrador Retriever, and has been for at least 4 years. I've taken the liberty of copying the 30 most popular dogs from their website; the Pitbull is not among them (and it's not 31st, either). I looked over the list, some 170-odd dog breeds long, and couldn't find the Pitbull on the list. Maybe you can find it, but it's certainly nowhere near the top of the list. The following list is copied from their website. The numbers after the dog breed names represent that breed's rank for a four-year period (2011 closest to the name, then 2010, then 2009, then 2008).
Labrador Retrievers 1111
German Shepherd Dogs 2 2 3 3
Beagles 3 4 5 5
Golden Retrievers 4 5 4 2
Yorkshire Terriers 5 3 2 6
Bulldogs 6 6 12 19
Boxers 7 7 7 8
Poodles 8 9 8 7
Dachshunds 9 8 6 4
Rottweilers 10 11 17 11
Shih Tzu 11 10 9 10
Miniature Schnauzers 12 12 10 13
Doberman Pinschers 13 14 21 24
Chihuahuas 14 13 11 9
German Shorthaired Pointers 15 16 20 22
Siberian Huskies 16 18 25 21
Pomeranians 17 15 14 12
French Bulldogs 18 21 36 64
Great Danes 19 17 24 28
Shetland Sheepdogs 20 19 19 16
Cavalier King Charles Spaniels 21 23 27 44
Boston Terriers 22 20 15 18
Maltese 23 22 18 20
Australian Shepherds 24 26 34 35
Pembroke Welsh Corgis 25 27 22 26
Pugs 26 24 13 15
****er Spaniels 27 25 16 14
Mastiffs 28 28 32 37
English Springer Spaniels 29 29 26 27
Brittanys
I can't believe that you have tried to make the population argument twice in this thread.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 3:07:51 PM
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I am a big time dog lover and owner of a lab mix. I use to run in trails and have been bitten by a pitbull and german shepard. I got 30 stitches on my leg from the pitbull. I was also bitten by my friend's yorkie as a kid because she did not like me jumping off the diving board into the pool. I also had a pure labrador retriever that bit my mail carrier about 20 years ago for no reason. My point is any dog can bite if they are allowed to be dominant but some breeds are harder to train and more likely to be aggressive. I am also against breeding by people that don't know how to do it properly. Their are lots of dogs out there with bad genetics for injuries, illnesses, and aggressiveness. I really believe that owners should be punished more severely for instances of vicious maulings and that will force people to be more responsible.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 3:19:57 PM
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kamtile
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This is a tough one for me because I am an animal lover, especially dogs. The problem is that 9/10 maulings by dogs are by pit bulls. I used to believe the theory that it is how they are raised, but I here over and over
" that is the first time he ever showed that type of behavior", so that tells me it is inherent in the breed and at anytime they can attack.
So, regrettable, I agree with the court ruling.
Were di you read that? So not true. As a matter of fact they are in 6th place
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110512014751AAyum3L
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 3:59:02 PM
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This is a tough one for me because I am an animal lover, especially dogs. The problem is that 9/10 maulings by dogs are by pit bulls. I used to believe the theory that it is how they are raised, but I here over and over
" that is the first time he ever showed that type of behavior", so that tells me it is inherent in the breed and at anytime they can attack.
So, regrettable, I agree with the court ruling.
Were di you read that? So not true. As a matter of fact they are in 6th place
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110512014751AAyum3L
That's an article about dog bites and general dog aggression, not what dogs are more likely to rip someone to pieces. I'd prefer 20 bites from a Dachshund vs 1 from a pit. 
From this site: http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-fatalities-2011.php
31 U.S. fatal dog attacks occurred in 2011. Despite being regulated in Military Housing areas and over 650 U.S. cities, pit bulls led these attacks accounting for 71% (22). Pit bulls make up less than 5% of the total U.S. dog population.
So sure, other dogs may be more aggressive, but at least in 2011 the other 95% of the dog population accounted for just 29% of the fatalities.
From purely a numbers standpoint, that's pretty incriminating.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 4:34:32 PM
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You have a dog that isn't in the top 30 for ownership responsible for the vast majority of mauling deaths.
7 out of 10 deaths caused by pits when they're not in the top 30 for ownership? C'mon, man... lower the emotionalism and crank up the objectivity. It's pretty clear pits are dangerous and it really matters not why they attack. It's that they do and when they do it's often fatal.
It sure won't make me feel any better, as a parent, hearing someone apologize for the death of one of my kids saying the dog had been to obedience school and never showed any form of aggression prior. Isn't that what we always hear? It takes a matter of seconds and someone's life is changed forever all because somebody feels they need to own a vicious breed of dog. It makes no sense to me unless they're using that breed to protect a car lot or a salvage yard.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 4:55:24 PM
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I own a pit bull. I will say this about mine at the very least.
female mix about 75% i guess, approximately 5 1/2years old now and honestly I have never heard her even growl or bear teeth at another human that did not provoke her. she has NEVER bitten anyone! she is an absolute sweetheart. that is not too say she has not had issues. she loves to chase anything that will run from her as most dogs will. If there is another dog around with its owner and the other dog become defensive or territorial she will respond in kind. we have always been able to maintain control of her and I fully expect her to live a long happy incident free life.
another thing I will say while yes pit bulls are responsible for the majority of bitings, maulings and deaths. I fully believe the actions or lack there of from the owners of these animals should be examined along with the dog. I truly feel that if you wish to own any dog you must take responsibility for that animal both the good and the potential bad.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 4:59:43 PM
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Golf_is_my_CRACK
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Just to set the record straight, the Maryland Court of Appeals did not ban pit bulls. The Court merely ruled that harboring a pit bull is an inherently dangerous activity, and as a result pit bull owners are strictly liable for injuries caused by their dogs. In a nutshell, the ruling means that if a pit bull owner is sued due to injuries caused by his dog, then the victim does not need to prove that the owner was negligent. With regard to other breeds, the victim does need to prove that the owner was negligent in order to win a lawsuit.
The Court relied, in part, on the following:
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Thus, the foreseeability of harm in the present case was clear. The extreme dangerousness of this breed, as it has evolved today, is well recognized. ‘Pit bulls as a breed are known to be extremely aggressive and have been bred as attack animals.’ Giaculli v. Bright, 584 So.2d 187, 189 (Fla.App.1991). Indeed, it has been judicially noted that pit bull dogs ‘bite to kill without signal” ( Starkey v. Township of Chester, 628 F.Supp. 196, 197 (E.D.Pa.1986)), are selectively bred to have powerful jaws, high insensitivity to pain, extreme aggressiveness, a natural tendency to refuse to terminate an attack, and a greater propensity to bite humans than other breeds. The “Pit Bull's massive canine jaws can crush a victim with up to two thousand pounds (2,000) of pressure per square inch—three times that of a German Sheppard or Doberman Pinscher.” State v. Peters, 534 So.2d 760, 764 (Fla.App.1988) review denied, 542 So.2d 1334 (Fla.1989). See also Hearn v. City of Overland Park, 244 Kan. 638, 650, 647, 722 P.2d 758, 768, 765, cert. denied 493 U.S. 976, 110 S.Ct. 500, 107 L.Ed.2d 503 (1989) (‘pit bull dogs represent a unique health hazard ... [possessing] both the capacity for extraordinarily savage behavior ... [a] capacity for uniquely vicious attacks ... coupled with an unpredictable nature”... and that “of the 32 known human deaths in the United States due to dog attacks ... [in the period between July 1983 and April 1989], 23 were caused by attacks by pit bull dogs.” Pit bull dogs have even been considered as weapons. See State v. Livingston, 420 N.W.2d 230 (Minn.App.1998) (for the purpose of first degree murder); People v. Garraway, 187 A.D.2d 761, 589 N.Y.S.2d 942 (1992) (upholding conviction of pit bull's owner of criminal weapon in the third degree).
... And the Albuquerque Humane Society reported that no other breed of dog has “ever caused the kinds of injuries or exhibited the aggressive behavior shown by American Pit Bull Terriers ... [and the humane society does not] adopt out pit bull dogs because of their potential for attacks on other animals and people”)
From 1979 through 1996, dog attacks resulted in more than 300 dog-bite related fatalities in the United States. Most victims were children. Studies indicate, ... that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human ... [fatalities] during the 12 year period from 1981 through 1992 ...
Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association, no. 6, September 15, 2000, at 836. The report went on to state: “... the data indicates that Rottweilers and pit bull type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF [“dog bite related fatalities”] in the United States between 1979 and 1996”. Id., at 839. “It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities.”
An abstract from a recent article published in the Annals of Surgery, entitled “ Mortality, Mauling, and Maiming by Vicious Dogs ” which explored maiming and deaths due to dog attacks noted that:
OBJECTIVE: Maiming and death due to dog bites are uncommon but preventable tragedies. We postulated that patients admitted to a level 1 trauma center with dog bites would have severe injuries and that the gravest injuries would be those caused by pit bulls.
DESIGN: We reviewed the medical records of patients admitted to our level 1 trauma center with dog bites during a 15–year period. We determined the demographic characteristics of the patients, their outcomes, and the breed and characteristics of the dogs causing the injuries.
RESULTS: Our Trauma and Emergency Surgery Services treated 228 patients with dog bite injuries; for 82 of those patients the breed of the dog involved was recorded (29 were injured by pit bulls)[29 out of 82]. Compared with attacks by other breeds of dogs, attacks by pit bulls were associated with a higher median injury Severity Scale score (4 vs. 1; P=0.002), a higher risk of an admission Glasgow Coma Scale score of 8 or lower (17.2% vs. 0%; P=0.006), higher median hospital charges ($10,500 vs. $7200/ P=0.0003); and a higher risk of death (10.3% vs. 0%; (P=0.041).
CONCLUSIONS: Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs. Strict regulation of pit bulls may substantially reduce the U.S. mortality rates related to dog bites.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 5:01:26 PM
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I own a pit bull. I will say this about mine at the very least.
female mix about 75% i guess, approximately 5 1/2years old now and honestly I have never heard her even growl or bear teeth at another human that did not provoke her. she has NEVER bitten anyone! she is an absolute sweetheart. that is not too say she has not had issues. she loves to chase anything that will run from her as most dogs will. If there is another dog around with its owner and the other dog become defensive or territorial she will respond in kind. we have always been able to maintain control of her and I fully expect her to live a long happy incident free life.
another thing I will say while yes pit bulls are responsible for the majority of bitings, maulings and deaths. I fully believe the actions or lack there of from the owners of these animals should be examined along with the dog. I truly feel that if you wish to own any dog you must take responsibility for that animal both the good and the potential bad.
The problem is that I hear over and over again what you have just expressed- that the pit bull that just ripped a kid to shreds had never done anything like that before.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 5:04:39 PM
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This is a tough one for me because I am an animal lover, especially dogs. The problem is that 9/10 maulings by dogs are by pit bulls. I used to believe the theory that it is how they are raised, but I here over and over
" that is the first time he ever showed that type of behavior", so that tells me it is inherent in the breed and at anytime they can attack.
So, regrettable, I agree with the court ruling.
Were di you read that? So not true. As a matter of fact they are in 6th place
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110512014751AAyum3L
I was guesstimating, but I was not far off, huh? Facts do not lie.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/02/12 5:09:00 PM
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Golf_is_my_CRACK
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I own a pit bull. I will say this about mine at the very least.
female mix about 75% i guess, approximately 5 1/2years old now and honestly I have never heard her even growl or bear teeth at another human that did not provoke her. she has NEVER bitten anyone! she is an absolute sweetheart. that is not too say she has not had issues. she loves to chase anything that will run from her as most dogs will. If there is another dog around with its owner and the other dog become defensive or territorial she will respond in kind. we have always been able to maintain control of her and I fully expect her to live a long happy incident free life.
another thing I will say while yes pit bulls are responsible for the majority of bitings, maulings and deaths. I fully believe the actions or lack there of from the owners of these animals should be examined along with the dog. I truly feel that if you wish to own any dog you must take responsibility for that animal both the good and the potential bad.
The problem is that I hear over and over again what you have just expressed- that the pit bull that just ripped a kid to shreds had never done anything like that before.
And that's what the Maryland Court of Appeals really addressed. Ordinarily, in order to hold a dog owner liable for injuries, the victim must prove negligence, which generally means that the victim must prove that the dog owner knew (or should have known) that his particular dog has a propensity to attack/bite. With regard to pit bulls, knowledge that a particular dog has a propensity to attack/bite is no longer required ... the mere fact that a dog is a pit bull is knowledge enough. Thus, the first ever (unjustified) attack by a particular pit bull would cause the owner of that dog to be liable, whereas it may not ordinarily cause the owner of another breed to be liable.
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RE: Pit Bulls........... - 05/03/12 5:00:53 AM
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It is always really fun to interject FACTS into an opinion and emotion based argument. It is an absolute LIE that pits and rots don't have higher incidents than other breeds.
http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics.php
Unfortunately, statistics are thrown around way to easily without knowing the source data. In this case, the source in so obviously bias and without seeing the data or knowing anything about its collection. I could probably take a survey that would tell you that 35% of people believe Elvis is still alive... if I were to take the survey at an Elvis convention.
I once had an enviromentalist tell me the ring pattern in a swordfish steak was caused by ringworm.
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