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Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 5:28:04 AM
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superhack
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Hello,
Having a lot of problems when I try and swing fast... I know that I have good flexability/speed and power (my tennis days), yet in golf, grrrr, the faster my downswing is, the more erratic my swing becomes..
When I slow down swing, much more consistant, but alas, the distance falls off a bit..
Are there any suggestions on how to sort this problem out for a beginner?
I am thinking that my length of backswing has something to do with it, which may get alignment out of whack..
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 6:47:21 AM
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PerfectImpact
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Your question is similar to someone coming into a computer factory from off the street with some wires and batteries, trying to make his own computer, and asking, "how come my puter doesn't work?"
Surely you are aware that there are thousands (millions) of books, videos, magazine tips and articles, Golf Channel broadcasts of instruction, interviews, analyses, experts, pros with coaches, and by now, many millions of questions and answers like yours, with answers and suggestions, to be found in hundreds of golf discussion forums on the internet.
Winging it? hoping a tip or two is all you need?
In this field of endeavor?
Your query is not uncommon at all, and I make a big deal myself about how the assumptions people bring to the golf course ("I know everything else: all I need is this one thing and I'll have my Ph.D.) are, in fact, so unrealistic (I have to bite my tongue to keep from getting sarcastic).
The soft answer is: there is a lot to learn, and while you might have one thing that seems to be all you need, the interdependence of all of the elements of a golf swing and perfect impact are much more involved than meets the eye.
Welcome to the journey: when Jack Nicklaus wrote his second book in 1981, he talked about how there was still so much to learn. Such is this game.
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 11:30:05 AM
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kcee
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George makes a good point. You may think you need to shorten your backswing, feel a bit of pause at the top of your backswing, etc...and maybe you do...but there are so many variables. I've always been the type to try to fix my swing myself, but taking some lessons from the right pro can really pay off. I used to hit it a mile, but never knew where it was going and thought I needed to shorten my backswing and slow down, but initially I went about fixes the wrong way and then became short and crooked at times. I still like to work things out myself, but I probably couldn't if I hadn't taken those lessons initially. I still go once a year for a "tune up" and to learn something new.
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 11:40:47 AM
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wizard1336
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ORIGINAL: kcee
George makes a good point. You may think you need to shorten your backswing, feel a bit of pause at the top of your backswing, etc...and maybe you do...but there are so many variables. I've always been the type to try to fix my swing myself, but taking some lessons from the right pro can really pay off. I used to hit it a mile, but never knew where it was going and thought I needed to shorten my backswing and slow down, but initially I went about fixes the wrong way and then became short and crooked at times. I still like to work things out myself, but I probably couldn't if I hadn't taken those lessons initially. I still go once a year for a "tune up" and to learn something new.
That is the key. I went to a "pro" for about 5 months starting last August. I've spent 1 1/2 months trying to find my old swing and undo some of the stupid sh*t he had me doing. He was one of those "one swing fits all" pros. I should've known better.  Find a pro but make sure they know what they're doing.
BTW George, thanks to you and clubdoc for the advice on hitting my woods. I'm killing them now.
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 11:48:07 AM
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kcee
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The right pro certainly is key. They have to listen to you as well as you listen to them. I had a few lessons with a "bad" pro that undid all the good the 1st one did in a lot less time. A pro might be very good, but if you can't have a onversation with him about what you hope to get out of the lessons then it's probably not a good match.
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 5:56:31 PM
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PerfectImpact
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The assumption passed on to the public by the PGA is that someone who gets credentialled by a playing test for getting in the track for PGA pro status can, by virtue of playing a couple rounds under 150, TEACH THE GOLF SWING.
The assumption that performing a motor skill largely intuitively learned yourself qualifies you to teach others no longer qualifies as "oops, we THOUGHT it was true," because they've had 100 years to recognize that it isn't.
So let the BUYER beware: since he invests the playing pro with that ability
It's time word got out that such doesn't work. Not to deny that many PGA pros can be excellent as teachers: but their scarcity is legend.
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 8:08:27 PM
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superhack
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Hi ,thank you firstly for your replies, I assure I wasn't looking for the "Geez I just need one more tip then my game is complete".. My game is very much under construction from ground zero.. I'm not looking for short cuts as I know with other sports that I have played to reach a high level takes time and practise.. I think golf is not different in that regard...
PerfectImpact, wow, a brutally honest response, thats fine,cheers for that.. I take everything on board.. Have a lesson planned next week..
Just curious what then to look for in a "good" instructor then? I would have no idea? Are they enthusuastic, listen to u, demonstrate ideas?
Cheers
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/06/12 9:01:06 PM
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PerfectImpact
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There's a free video on my website, 'Your Very First Golf Lesson." That IS a good start, and untold hundreds of golfers replied about it that of all instruction they had ever had, THAT was the most meaningful: and if you DO get that one thing to start with, common sense and a little thought, a sense of geometry which is innate, will often handle most of everything else you'll come to see.
Most teachers do not give you INFORMATION. They ask you to manage body parts. Do you manage body parts to turn a screw or nail a nail? NO, you made the motion that accomplishes the objective you are seeking. The difference is profound: but you'll find most instructors and "analyses" confuse results with causes. YOU NEED TO KNOW CAUSES.
Being a good golfer is not a prescription for good teacher. And "lessons" are sound bites, rarely capable of imparting what you really need: look into comprehensive information instruction. In books and videos. By good TEACHERS, which is not synonymous with playing skill. Tiger's teacher/coach is a name unknown as a player, for a celebrity example...
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/11/12 8:03:28 AM
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guitarplayer33
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Hi George,
i just watched your free video, i really liked it. Although i have been playing for about 20 yrs and can shoot low 80's sometimes, my club still tends to come over the top. i just started using the pump drill to get the butt of the club to be pointing down the target line. Now i finnaly feel like i will get the clubface to hit the ball from the inside.
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/11/12 8:17:30 AM
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There is no such thing as too much swing speed !
Have your swing speed peak just right after the impact.
You will have a whole wack of problem if the swing speed peaked out before the impact.
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RE: Beginner,seeking advice, too fast downswing?!?! - 04/11/12 8:35:35 AM
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PerfectImpact
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Distance gains are not about exerting harder, after you do have centered impact: they are about efficiency of the sequence, the physics. I would hope you don't eschew instruction that helps you with THAT! I.e., getting the most out of your resources, not asking you to do things beyond your present effort: just doing them in a more effective way.
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