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Strange but True - 03/07/12 2:12:53 PM
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quicksand
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OK, this will probably sound strange, but,it's true. The shorter the club I play, the worse it gets. I have almost no trouble hitting a driver off the tee. Fairway woods are also pretty good. Then a mid Iron (5-6) I hit ok, but not as good as the woods. As they get shorter and shorter, It gets increasingly worse. And worst of all, I hit all of the irons off the toe. And, it doesn't matter which set of irons I use. I have tried everything that I can possibly think of but, it is just not possible to fix. Toe hits. After all these years, I am very close to finally bagging it.
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RE: Strange but True - 03/07/12 2:24:01 PM
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LowPost42
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Try bagging a set of irons built to your True Length Technology specs.
Then see about bagging it if necessary.
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RE: Strange but True - 03/07/12 3:50:31 PM
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sdandrea1
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You need help - you probably are doing something very fundamentally wrong. My advice:
You play bad once, shake it off.
You play bad twice in a row - check your fundamentals
You play bad 3 times in a row - get some help
Know an instructor?
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RE: Strange but True - 03/07/12 5:23:24 PM
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PerfectImpact
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quote:
ORIGINAL: quicksand
OK, this will probably sound strange, but,it's true. The shorter the club I play, the worse it gets. I have almost no trouble hitting a driver off the tee. Fairway woods are also pretty good. Then a mid Iron (5-6) I hit ok, but not as good as the woods. As they get shorter and shorter, It gets increasingly worse. And worst of all, I hit all of the irons off the toe. And, it doesn't matter which set of irons I use. I have tried everything that I can possibly think of but, it is just not possible to fix. Toe hits. After all these years, I am very close to finally bagging it.
Are you tall with short arms? What is your wrist-to-floor measurement?
That's one concern.
Next, do you reach out for the ball OR DO YOU HONESTLY, REALLY, ACTUALLY, FACTUALLY ALLOW YOUR ARMS TO HANG BY GRAVITY NEAR YOUR LEGS when you address the ball?
Most people who toe it fit into one or both of these interpretations. If you reach out you will HAVE TO REBALANCE BACKWARDS to keep from falling when you swing, so you will in the process be moving yourself back and up from the ball. Your armclub goes with you.
And with short clubs, a tall person with short arms reaches a "critical" angle of bendover that is so put to the test that anatomically he JUST PLAIN CAN'T STAY BENT OVER ENOUGH to get through the ball.
That is remedied by a more erect posture with the ball quite close to the feet, then there is less pressure on the mid-body for getting through the turn.
Short clubs are NOT ABOUT DISTANCE, BUT ABOUT DISTANCE CONTROL, so do not be concerned if you don't hit them as far with the changes you might make. You'll GREATLY INCREASE your distance, actually, with center impact vs. toe impact - big time.
Greg Norman, Jack Nicklaus, Jim Furyk and others are good models for arms close to legs. Some of these guys played good golf.....
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RE: Strange but True - 03/07/12 5:24:23 PM
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I would check your lie angle on your irons. Are your irons too flat? I would get some impact tape and maybe hit off a lie angle board. It could be something as simple as having your irons bent upright.....
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RE: Strange but True - 03/08/12 2:09:42 PM
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quicksand
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Thanks for all your replies. I am 5'10" 170lbs. OK, It feels like it's a result of using too much body motion in my swing. In which case the shoulders are controlling the swing and it throws the club out to in. I don't slice very much at all, but pulls are frequent. I need to slow down my body and allow the arms to catch up. This way I won't find it a struggle to move my weight to the front side. Next practice session I will give this a try.
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RE: Strange but True - 03/08/12 2:23:07 PM
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PerfectImpact
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By waiting a while at the top before starting down, if you only leaned on your right foot and didn't put all your weight on it, you will fall to your left foot forthwith: waiting allows gravity to fall you to the left side, and THAT clears your hips for you correctly. Then aim your hands and swing as though you were going to hit a ball to right center field and that INTENTION will control your shoulders so you don't go over the top and pull the shot. It's amazing that if we think and try to do something specific like that, that holy smoke, it isn't about body parts: it's just common sense and everything works good as a result of our intention.
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RE: Strange but True - 03/08/12 2:24:56 PM
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wizard1336
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quote:
ORIGINAL: quicksand
Thanks for all your replies. I am 5'10" 170lbs. OK, It feels like it's a result of using too much body motion in my swing. In which case the shoulders are controlling the swing and it throws the club out to in. I don't slice very much at all, but pulls are frequent. I need to slow down my body and allow the arms to catch up. This way I won't find it a struggle to move my weight to the front side. Next practice session I will give this a try.
I've had the same problem. It started at the end of last year and carried over into this year. Driver, woods, & 4i-7i were all baby draws. 8i-SW were big pull-hooks off the toe. I've struggled all winter with this. Went to the range yesterday and started from the ground up. Grip was too strong and I was gripping too far down in my palms. Stance was a little too narrow and I was standing too far from the ball, not much but enough apparently. Shoulder turn sucked so I was way too steep. I changed those 3 things and after about 20 balls I was hitting them as well as I ever have.
I'm sure that wasn't much help but I guess my point was before I grab a club and start swinging I need to check the little things. Grip, posture, ball position, turn, swing away. I get those 4 things right at the start of my swing and good things happen. 
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RE: Strange but True - 03/08/12 2:33:02 PM
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sdandrea1
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Always check the fundamentals first. As a HO in remission, the temptation is always there to experiment with equipment, but I always know that when my swing is 'on', I can hit anything.
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RE: Strange but True - 03/09/12 2:55:51 PM
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behing19
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I agree with most of the others that are posting here. I would start by checking to make sure you have clubs built to the right length for you. Then, I would see a professional instructor in your area. It really could be something super simple, but without seeing you swing the clubs, its impossible to tell you what you are doing wrong.
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RE: Strange but True - 03/13/12 10:44:20 AM
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Colej
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This sounds a lot like me. I'm not saying that you're doing what I did which was: taking the club way to much vertically up and past parallel at the top then flipping your hands at the bottom. The flip was the way I squared up the face. It worked well with the woods. Not with irons.
I would go have a respected PGA pro look at your swing.
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RE: Strange but True - 03/13/12 11:49:08 AM
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kcee
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I had the same problem when I 1st started playing and highly recommend lessons and a fitting as well. I could hit 6i and longer okay, but nothing else. I used to choked way down on a 9 wood for a lot of shots or try to finesse the 6i. After some lessons and just a basic fitting I had slightly longer, heavier clubs with mid size grips and was soon hitting the short irons better than the other clubs. Just don't get too frustrated (it's just a game), don't give up and you'll be fine.
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