RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing instead of on the upswing?
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 03/10/12 1:45:24 PM
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jazzus
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Quite an interesting article.
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 03/26/12 1:23:08 PM
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Ringer
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Low push fade with more spin.
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 03/27/12 3:48:29 AM
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Just a random/relevant comment on hitting down on your driver.
Compared to a level angle of attack, hitting down on your driver (say 4 degrees) is pretty much the same as just 'tilting the entire golfer and his swing' down 4 degrees. The net being the same spin and a lower launch angle.
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 03/30/12 8:56:05 PM
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ORIGINAL: Randyman28
Anybody know what happens if you hit your driver on the downswing.I know the ideal place is in the start of the upswing. Slice?
You'll have a lower launch angle and more spin which will reduce distance. Thanks to today's technology like Trackman the science is showing us it's better to hit with a higher launch angle and less spin and this is accomplished by hitting it slightly on the up swing.
Let me give you something else to consider; your left arm and club swing in a circle around your left shoulder. Geometrically this means the club will swing downward until it reaches its lowest point on the circle directly below the left shoulder than it will swing upward when it passes the left shoulder. If you intend to hit upward on the ball be sure you locate it slightly in front (target side) of your left shoulder else you'll have to use a bending of the left wrist as compensation to swing up.
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 03/30/12 9:05:57 PM
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NiftyNiblick
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I prefer playing the driver a little less forward in my stance than most people with whom I play. I also like to tee it lower to make it a little more like a regular shot. It works ok for me, but I use very week loft drivers, 13 or 14 degrees.
< Message edited by NiftyNiblick -- 03/30/12 9:28:06 PM >
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 03/31/12 5:01:23 AM
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DaveLeeNC
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ORIGINAL: EverythingGolf
Hitting down with the driver will put more back spin on the ball and may cause you to loose distance. Hitting it on the upswing is the best way to get more distance.
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Despite being counter-intuitive, for MOST golfers hitting more down on the ball does NOT increase spin. Spin is primarily a function of 'spin loft' which is the difference between where the club face is pointed at impact and the direction of the club face at impact. For most golfers when they change their path they also change the face direction such that the spin loft is pretty much unchanged.
The reason that hitting on the upswing is typically helpful is that this allows you to achieve the same launch angle while simultaneously reducing the actual loft of the club. It is this physical loft change that reduces spin and (ultimately for most golfers) gives you better distances.
There probably exists the occasional golfer who 'hits more down than his normal' on the ball while maintaining the same actual loft of the club at impact. But this is not the norm.
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 04/04/12 1:12:10 PM
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Ringer
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Dave it seems you're forgetting the clubface. By putting impact further back along the arc there is less time for the clubface to close. Also the angle of attack gradually shallows out as full extension gets closer.... so actually you aren't just "tilting the entire golfer and his swing"... you're steepening the angle, you're opening the clubface, and delofting the clubface. All make for a low push fade with high spin.
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 04/04/12 2:28:51 PM
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DaveLeeNC
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ORIGINAL: Ringer
Dave it seems you're forgetting the clubface. By putting impact further back along the arc there is less time for the clubface to close. Also the angle of attack gradually shallows out as full extension gets closer.... so actually you aren't just "tilting the entire golfer and his swing"... you're steepening the angle, you're opening the clubface, and delofting the clubface. All make for a low push fade with high spin.
Ringer, I was trying to avoid assumptions on how a golfer actually achieves a more negative AoA.
But if we are going down this road then I believe that it is pretty well established that, for most golfers, their spin loft (and therefore their spin) does not change with AoA. So no significant spin change in most cases.
dave
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RE: Consequences of hitting the driver on the downswing... - 04/04/12 7:27:43 PM
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clubdoctoruk
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ORIGINAL: Ringer
Dave it seems you're forgetting the clubface. By putting impact further back along the arc there is less time for the clubface to close. Also the angle of attack gradually shallows out as full extension gets closer.... so actually you aren't just "tilting the entire golfer and his swing"... you're steepening the angle, you're opening the clubface, and delofting the clubface. All make for a low push fade with high spin.
Delofting it (relative to the horizontal) yes, but not necessarily producing a push relative to the target line or a fading ball flight (curving left-to-right for a RH golfer) with any more or less spin, because the curving flight depends on the clubface angle relative to clubhead path, which is a function of the AoA, not the clubface angle relative to the alignment of the plane of the swing, aka horizontal swing plane or swing direction (which would appear to be what you are thinking of). Clubhead path and swing direction are not the same thing - see this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sIQ-7DJJbU
If you don't understand 'Spin loft', it's covered from about 2 min 28 sec in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MwVZ68UHCU
< Message edited by clubdoctoruk -- 04/05/12 1:16:45 AM >
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