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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 10:06:16 AM
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darpar
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He made my daughter cry that day and for that, he can kiss my big white ass. The only good thing that came out of him winning yesterday is the fact that an American won the US Open.
This is the first post I've seen where someone has a legitimate, logical reason to dislike Tiger. The rest......not so much so.....
And why is Tiger obligated to sign an autograph?
As been pointed out already,if he signs one he'd be expected to sign all, which could probably take
awhile, arguably more time than any other golfer. It's basically a no win situation for him.
He chooses not to, that's his choice not the autograph seekers.
BTW, I got Couples signature once during a practice round at the Diners Club Matches,
it looked like the whole autograph signing process just annoyed the living hell out of him.
Maybe Tiger feels the same way!
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 10:19:56 AM
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D.Elsperman
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I was rooting for both Rocco and Tiger . The play was terrific as no one made a critical error . It meant a lot to both men and what a physical drain on both of them . Just give me a good competitive play- off and a cold one . Makes me happy . As far as autographs go my program said no autographs untill the round is over . Sorry your daughter didn't get hers , if thats what made her cry.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 10:45:12 AM
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Phileo
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I think it becomes a problem when he is a non-factor yet they keep the coverage on him. In tourneys where he is not going to win, they will keep coverage on him instead of on those in contention, that is when it becomes overblown.
This is one of my "bones" with the media. But in defense of Tiger, they suck up just as much to Mickelson, which I dispise just as much or more. The USGA just did ESPN a HUGE favor on Thursday and Friday by putting TW and PM in the same pairing (poor Adam Scott). That way they could send 99% of their crew out to cover that one group and leave the rest of the field in relative peace and quiet on the other 17 holes of the golf course.
And I'll say it for the 3rd time in this thread. I DO NOT hate Tiger Woods. I HATE the media, specifically Johnny Miller and especially Tim Rosenforte who is an anal retentive POS, "sucking the marrow out of life" (to quote from "Dead Poets Society").
Johnny Miller is a horrible golf commentator anyway you slice it. And his extreme bias towards Tiger just makes me want to put my fist through the TV. And Rosenforte's constant, "I spoke to his agent/caddy/father/wife/mother" schtick is completely repulsing to me. This is not about their personal lives, but about their skill on the golf course. I don't need to know about all that off course garbage. It's a complete waste of time and one of the main reasons why 99% of TV coverage is complete BS.
I long for the days of Jim McKay and Jack Whitaker, who called the action on the course, without inflecting a ton of their personal opinion. Pat Summerall is sorely missed from golf TV coverage as well. What has happened with golf commentators is that they have gone from describing the action on the course to nitpicking the players games. That's the biggest problem with Johnny Miller. Because he was such a great ballstriker and constantly gloats about his 63 at Oakmont in '73 he feels he has the authority to bastardize the professional game of golf by ripping apart 95% of the touring pros for every little discrepancy. In short, there is no positive commentary going on, but us being informed of how we should think about that players shot, rather then allowing us to decide for ourselves.
But what happens with Tiger is that Miller & Co, give him a pass and play to whatever element is affecting his game. Bad knee, bad lie, bad fan, bad whatever. Tiger never makes a mistake, and when he does it's always some course condition that gets used.
Yeah, I'm exagerrating to make a point, but when you grew up watching golf and TV and for the most part could watch in silence while a player lined up a putt or shot, and got a remark or two here or there in whispered reverence, you easily get annoyed when there is constant noise in the background while Johnny Miller whines incessantly about whatever player did what horribly.
Oh, and Johnny Miller did it again on Monday BTW, when Tiger was getting ready to putt for par on a particular hole during the playoff and Miller said, "Tiger hates bogeys". I'll refer back to Woody Austin's press conference last year at one of the majors where he ripped into Johnny Miller and said, "I hate bogeys too. I don't know any player out here that likes bogeys. When you say something like that you just have no clue how stupid a statement is it. Like I don't care about bogeys."
Woody is 100% right that Miller says this like only Tiger hates bogeys. I'm sure if you polled the 156 players in the field at the US Open, everyone of them would tell you that they hate bogeys. Heck, I wasn't even in the field at Torrey Pines, and I HATE BOGEYS!!!
Dumbest golf comment by any announcer ever, and simply proves the Tiger bias Miller so easily slurps up with every word.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 11:30:52 AM
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Persimmon
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Since you brought up "finding fault," the most common example I observe of that is people who don't like Tiger's use of cuss words, etc. Does it matter to me? No. I do it all the time myself on the course.  However, I have to look no further than my own parents to find people who disapprove. When Tiger says GD my mother looks like someone disappointed with her own child. Does she hate Tiger? No. Is he her favorite golfer? Mostly for this reason, no. Even though I don't share her opinion about it I can certainly understand it.
From reading countless Tiger threads, the profanity is the only thing of substance I see mentioned. (I tend to dismiss things like groundless allegations that fist-pumps are purely dramatic and specifically intended to intimidate fellow-competitors). Fred Couples has a huge potty mouth and drops F-bombs routinely -- far more frequently than does Tiger -- and yet, he's wildly popular, too. Ernie Els swears on the course -- I've heard it on telecasts -- yet he's also quite popular. None of these guys swears casually (unlike many of us); they bring out the profane artillery for their worst shots or the occasions when they really need to produce under pressure and fail.
For years, people lit into Mickelson for not caring enough about being a champion. At the same time, it's clear that Woods cares very deeply ... and people light into him for that. I think the emotion on display is something to latch onto and complain about, and not that it's the cause of the complaints to begin with.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 11:43:33 AM
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There would less Tiger haters if his main competition, e.g., Phil, Ernie, Retief, VJ, Sergio, etc., would just step up and challenge him like Nicklaus' rivals did.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 11:45:45 AM
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There was a senior tour exhibition event on TV last year where Arnold Palmer uttered some profanities several times after poor shots. I'm not a fan of Tiger's profanity but if other guys were always in contention like he is and constantly had mics and cameras on them, I don't think we'd be making as big a deal of Tiger's profanity.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 12:29:11 PM
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livegolf
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I hate him for the fact that he comes across as arrogant with all the displays of emotion. One minute he is one top of the world pumping his fist and the next he is slamming clubs and throwing a temper tantrum. Tiger is so inconsistent when it comes to emotion.
He is so lucky when it comes to hitting bad shots where he walks away with perfect lies and another play a foot away will have to pitch out.
The media and fan's think he is god, no one deserves that much credit. They showed the putt on #11 from ~4 ft like 4 or 5 times and didn't show Westwood's 1 putt par, wtf? Excuses abound from those in the tv chairs when he hits a bad shot.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 12:49:59 PM
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engofct
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I hate him for the fact that he comes across as arrogant with all the displays of emotion. One minute he is one top of the world pumping his fist and the next he is slamming clubs and throwing a temper tantrum. Tiger is so inconsistent when it comes to emotion.
He is so lucky when it comes to hitting bad shots where he walks away with perfect lies and another play a foot away will have to pitch out.
The media and fan's think he is god, no one deserves that much credit. They showed the putt on #11 from ~4 ft like 4 or 5 times and didn't show Westwood's 1 putt par, wtf? Excuses abound from those in the tv chairs when he hits a bad shot.
I rather see some emotion than watching robots like most of the PGA Tour players. I can't imaging watch Kenny Perry or Jim Furyk week in and week out.
The better you get the luckier you get. He even knows how to miss a shot better than the rest.
The reason that Tiger gets all the credit is because his main rivals aren't tough enough to challenge him even when an opportunity presented itself. They will get more credit for winning in the Tiger era.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 1:22:52 PM
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lefty9155
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My first car. The day I graduated school. The day I married the woman of my dreams. The last day of my military service. Watching my first child being born. Then watching my son learn how to walk, learn how to run, learn how to ride a bike, then learn how to drive. Getting that first big promotion at work. Watching my soulmate make the selfless decision to donate a kidney to an ailing stranger. And in golf, that first tee shot that was a legit 300 yarder. My first round ever to break 100. To break 90. To break 80. To break par.
It's called taking a step back and appreciating the goodness of something. Recognizing it. Enjoying it. Appreciating it.
If you can't do those things without attaching certain circumstances that need to fit your criteria, you must live a miserable life.
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RE: Why people hate Tiger Woods - 06/17/08 1:25:39 PM
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Persimmon
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He even knows how to miss a shot better than the rest.
Respectfully, that's the kind of statement that the haters pounce on. Or was it tongue in cheek?
Woods is a very highly skilled golfer. Maybe, just maybe, that exceptional skill aids him in playing from bad spots, enabling him to play a ball that another guy might have to just advance down the fairway (and FYI, I saw Woods do nothing more than advance the ball more than once this weekend).
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