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Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship?

Tiger Woods

37% (18)

Tiger Woods

2% (1)

Tiger Woods

2% (1)

Tiger Woods

2% (1)

Tiger Woods

2% (1)

Eldrick Woods

18% (9)

Other

35% (17)

Total Votes : 48

(last vote on : 05/01/12 8:34:40 AM)
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simonsez -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 12:50:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: QCngn hmmmm no Tiger mentioned in above post....................................... so much for the OP eh ??????????????????????????/ The original question referred to "who was the worst sportsman on tour" fwiw, rather than who had the worst temper. Maybe the player in your poll weren't allowed to vote for Tiger on threat of being banned from the tour. I'd reckon that it was actually just assumed that he was the worst tempered and they were just voting for "next worst" Woods is easily the worst sportsman currently on tour:that we actually get to see in any case.

simonsez -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 1:00:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: professor quote: ORIGINAL: scotts33 quote: ORIGINAL: inconsistant quote: ORIGINAL: scotts33 [image]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_hGuTx-bvyk0/SL6gRw9qUiI/AAAAAAAAA-A/HMp9QgpmSbI/s400/march_angry_299x300.jpg[/image] That's the pic I was looking for...Tommy Bolt in action Yes Sir! Though in his later years Terrible Tommy said that some of his actions were done to raise awareness not because of his rancorous temper. Was that when he was bashing his head into tree trunks or punching himself in the face? Are you certain that you aren't confusing him with this bloke?-from "golf swing book" Lefty Stackhouse was a PGA Pro who had an explosive temper. He was known to hit his head against trees for missing putts. He’d also slam his head against his putter. After missing a crucial put he punched himself and knocked himself out. Another time Lefty missed a putt and threw the putter, along with his entire set into the water, he also tossed in his Caddie. Ky Laffoon, another Pro, was so furious at his putter that he dragged it behind his car for 400 miles. After missing a short putt he once clubbed his own foot, breaking one of his toes. As of late, Woody Austin on National TV., hit himself over the head five times after missing a short putt. He blamed the outburst on his own insecurity.

simonsez -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 1:07:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: professor I think a lot of you are duped by this "gentleman's game" stuff. It's myth! Why is it a "gentleman's" game? Because at an earlier point in time only the wealthy 'gentleman' played? Because it's a game where you call penalties on yourself? Was Bill Clinton a "gentleman" when he played the game? At the advent of the PGA, was Walter Hagen known to be a "gentleman"? Keep kidding yourselves, keep believing in the lore of "the good old days' (which is just revisionist history), and soon you can blame Tiger Woods for the price of a gallon of gas. The way I see it many hate Tiger because they love to hate. Tiger's just today's icon of ridicule. Not to worry, another will come along. Golf was very much a "gentleman's game", despite your alleged belief to the contrary.There are still far more decent , well behaved people in professional golf than there are in most other professional sports.Are you the same person who only became interested in golf when Woods arrived on the scene or is that the "old professor"?In all sincerity I'd like to know as it would help me to understand your point of view more easily[8D].

professor -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 4:44:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: simonsez quote: ORIGINAL: professor I think a lot of you are duped by this "gentleman's game" stuff. It's myth! Why is it a "gentleman's" game? Because at an earlier point in time only the wealthy 'gentleman' played? Because it's a game where you call penalties on yourself? Was Bill Clinton a "gentleman" when he played the game? At the advent of the PGA, was Walter Hagen known to be a "gentleman"? Keep kidding yourselves, keep believing in the lore of "the good old days' (which is just revisionist history), and soon you can blame Tiger Woods for the price of a gallon of gas. The way I see it many hate Tiger because they love to hate. Tiger's just today's icon of ridicule. Not to worry, another will come along. Golf was very much a "gentleman's game", despite your alleged belief to the contrary.There are still far more decent , well behaved people in professional golf than there are in most other professional sports.Are you the same person who only became interested in golf when Woods arrived on the scene or is that the "old professor"?In all sincerity I'd like to know as it would help me to understand your point of view more easily[8D]. My taking up golf, in1997, had little to do with the emergence of Tiger Woods. It just so happens the timeliness coincide. I took up golf because I moved to a home built on a golf course (the area chosen for its school district for my kids and the space out back). And, I question all references to "the good old days". People have a tendency towards selective memory. They forget the bad and embellish the good. Golf was a game for the "Elite". Were they gentleman? I don't know. I do know for a long time the media wasn't everywhere. Was there more philandering going on with members of the country club than the local steelworkers union? Anyone's best guess. Where you got the idea of my taking up the game due to Tiger Woods? I've no idea. I also see no value in the comparison to other professional athletes. I was speaking to a notion of "the gentleman's game".

letthebigdogshunt -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 9:06:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: professor I think a lot of you are duped by this "gentleman's game" stuff. It's myth! Why is it a "gentleman's" game? Because at an earlier point in time only the wealthy 'gentleman' played? Because it's a game where you call penalties on yourself? Was Bill Clinton a "gentleman" when he played the game? At the advent of the PGA, was Walter Hagen known to be a "gentleman"? Keep kidding yourselves, keep believing in the lore of "the good old days' (which is just revisionist history), and soon you can blame Tiger Woods for the price of a gallon of gas. The way I see it many hate Tiger because they love to hate. Tiger's just today's icon of ridicule. Not to worry, another will come along. Thank you for that, I am tried of listening to all this garbage about how gentlemanly the game was back in the 50's and 60's. People were playing the game as they are today. I remember when a gentleman I was playing with made a bad swing and let loose of his club and it came back and hit me in the wrist. Luckily it hit my watch, broke it but left my wrist intact. Of the gentleman I lent my clubs to one day and he threw one up into a tree in anger. Had to climb up the tree in a gentlemanly manner to get it back. Gentlemen were swearing then just as much as today, some even more so. I think many were more aware of the etiquette of the game then, but this gentlemen's game is a joke. It is game that hasn't been seen in many, many years if ever. Just like the heros back in the day were all nice young gentlemen who did not swear, cheat on their wives, smiled and shook hands with everyone, not to mention signing autographs for everyone. Hardly happened and this was every sport not just golf. Little TV time then, plus the sports writers only wrote good things and refused to besmirch the name of a super star by writing bad things about them. That is one reason why when books are written about the good old days and the truth really comes out people get upset and say that is not true. But it probably was in fact true. Just no one would tell it like it was then. It was a gentler time because the media wanted it to be and the people wanted to believe it was also. Most of us were very naive backthen.

sdandrea1 -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 9:53:45 AM)
Showing other examples of unprofessional and childish behavior does not make Mr. Wonderful any more acceptable. He's still a dikhead, he just may not hold the record for worst dikhead.

LowCompression -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 10:32:46 AM)
Add that many of those PGA gentlemen of the late 1950s and early 1960s did not have the courage \| decency to protest the Caucasion Only clause at a time the Civil Rights movement was literally exploding across the nation. Some did speak out against it. The "elite" is not always society's "best". quote: ORIGINAL: letthebigdogshunt quote: ORIGINAL: professor I think a lot of you are duped by this "gentleman's game" stuff. It's myth! Why is it a "gentleman's" game? Because at an earlier point in time only the wealthy 'gentleman' played? Because it's a game where you call penalties on yourself? Was Bill Clinton a "gentleman" when he played the game? At the advent of the PGA, was Walter Hagen known to be a "gentleman"? Keep kidding yourselves, keep believing in the lore of "the good old days' (which is just revisionist history), and soon you can blame Tiger Woods for the price of a gallon of gas. The way I see it many hate Tiger because they love to hate. Tiger's just today's icon of ridicule. Not to worry, another will come along. Thank you for that, I am tried of listening to all this garbage about how gentlemanly the game was back in the 50's and 60's. People were playing the game as they are today. I remember when a gentleman I was playing with made a bad swing and let loose of his club and it came back and hit me in the wrist. Luckily it hit my watch, broke it but left my wrist intact. Of the gentleman I lent my clubs to one day and he threw one up into a tree in anger. Had to climb up the tree in a gentlemanly manner to get it back. Gentlemen were swearing then just as much as today, some even more so. I think many were more aware of the etiquette of the game then, but this gentlemen's game is a joke. It is game that hasn't been seen in many, many years if ever. Just like the heros back in the day were all nice young gentlemen who did not swear, cheat on their wives, smiled and shook hands with everyone, not to mention signing autographs for everyone. Hardly happened and this was every sport not just golf. Little TV time then, plus the sports writers only wrote good things and refused to besmirch the name of a super star by writing bad things about them. That is one reason why when books are written about the good old days and the truth really comes out people get upset and say that is not true. But it probably was in fact true. Just no one would tell it like it was then. It was a gentler time because the media wanted it to be and the people wanted to believe it was also. Most of us were very naive backthen.

robertbartsch -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 10:45:15 AM)
...In 2012 Augusta National Golf Club has no women members.....so what? This, and the civil rights movement, have nothing to do with showing poor sportsmenships on today's professional golf tours. Poor sportsmenship was not acceptible in the 1950s-60s, 70s .....and it is not acceptible today. What is needed to stop poor sportsmenship today is a change in the PGA/USGA policies. Fines should be increased and they should be published. If poor sportsmenship continues, play suspentions should be mandated.

LG -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 11:23:05 AM)
I can't speak for others, but when I first played golf I found golf etiquette much more common place than today. My very first round was in 1967 and the individual who encouraged me to play and helped me would always cover the etiquette of the game. For the most part I continue to play with individuals who follow the rules and etiquette of the game. Along the way I think everyone was aware of individuals who had personal problems, whether it was anger issues or simply being a drunk. In the mid 70's I played a few times with a PGA tour member who basically retired to being a club pro in Tacoma, WA. The guy was a lush and I know it was a major factor in his leaving the tour. Even Nicklaus recently talked about how many on the tour in his prime spent a lot of time socializing and drinking. What I see today with Tiger and a few others is basically anger issues and a different attitude toward the game and their competitors. It is not just in golf, it is a part of our society as a whole. It has increasingly become a "me" world. Did this exist in the "good ole" days, sure, but it was not nearly as common place as it seems today. I never appreciated how Tiger conducted himself on the golf course. Now that his off course conduct has revealed him to be a big time hypocrite what he has done for years is no longer given a "pass" by the public.

robertbartsch -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 11:28:38 AM)
I don't remember too much about TW in the days when pops was still living. Was he a poor sportsmen in those days?

letthebigdogshunt -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 12:01:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sdandrea1 Showing other examples of unprofessional and childish behavior does not make Mr. Wonderful any more acceptable. He's still a dikhead, he just may not hold the record for worst dikhead. Of course it doesn't, but when you intimate that it was a gentlemen's game before that doesn't make it true either. What Woods does is not something that is good for golf when he gets upset. We all get upset at one time or other during our games, but it how we handle it that makes the difference. I have enjoyed watching Woods play golf over the years, but I have not liked some of his tantrums. It is not a good example for young kids watching his play. If this were the 50's before the media changed very few people would know about his tantrums except those who attended the tournaments. Today is a whole different arena for sports where every little blemish on every star is shown and dissected daily. His tantrums are ugly, but that does not take away from the fact he is one of the best to ever play the game. People who get all bent out of shape and call others names because they are doing something that person does not like and vilify that person are not much better that those they are putting down. JMHO

sdandrea1 -> RE: Poll: Player who shows the worst sportsmenship? (04/10/12 12:13:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: letthebigdogshunt quote: ORIGINAL: sdandrea1 Showing other examples of unprofessional and childish behavior does not make Mr. Wonderful any more acceptable. He's still a dikhead, he just may not hold the record for worst dikhead. Of course it doesn't, but when you intimate that it was a gentlemen's game before that doesn't make it true either. What Woods does is not something that is good for golf when he gets upset. We all get upset at one time or other during our games, but it how we handle it that makes the difference. I have enjoyed watching Woods play golf over the years, but I have not liked some of his tantrums. It is not a good example for young kids watching his play. If this were the 50's before the media changed very few people would know about his tantrums except those who attended the tournaments. Today is a whole different arena for sports where every little blemish on every star is shown and dissected daily. His tantrums are ugly, but that does not take away from the fact he is one of the best to ever play the game. People who get all bent out of shape and call others names because they are doing something that person does not like and vilify that person are not much better that those they are putting down. JMHO Actually, I'm not bent out of shape at all. I'm not angry - I am just expressing my opinion in a forum. You are right in that I should not be calling him names tho. I change my statement to "he behaves like a dikhead". I do not claim to be any better a person than TW - but I am trying to be a good example at home and on the golf course. I have adult children and grandchildren who are watching me and listening to me and the example I set. I can tell you this - I DO NOT behave like a spoiled entitled brat in their presence, and I remain loyal to my wife. The whole world is watching this guy. One more comment - when, in the past, I have behaved badly on the golf course, the people around me have called me on it (worse than the words I have used here). I apologized and thanked them, I did not accuse them of being worse than me.

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